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> If it is any help, in the UK, our deputy Prime Minister (he who retaliates > first) has two Jaguars. In fact, one of the more polite descriptions of him > is "two Jags Prescott".

Or "Two Jabs" nowadays, if you prefer.  :-)

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->>All this time I thought the 757 was for the >> Vice President. I’ve seen Clinton using >> the DC-9 before, too. >Perhaps you’re remembering that Gore campaigned in 2000 using a 757 >provided by the DNC? >——- > No, it was before that,  There was an article in the Washington Post a while > back saying that the 757 was for the VP.  Now, I’m wondering what or who it’s > really for? > ——- > Scott

If it is any help, in the UK, our deputy Prime Minister (he who relaliates first) has two Jaguars. In fact, one of the more polite descriptions of him is "two Jags Prescott. JohnT

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> >>All this time I thought the 757 was for the >> Vice President. I’ve seen Clinton using >> the DC-9 before, too. >Perhaps you’re remembering that Gore campaigned in 2000 using a 757 >provided by the DNC? >——- > No, it was before that,  There was an article in the Washington Post a while > back saying that the 757 was for the VP.  Now, I’m wondering what or who it’s > really for?

Secretary of State, perhaps?  I saw it in London when Albright was there in 1999

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another one.  there were "a few" 707  VC-137s

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->The 707 is being sent to the Reagan presidential library in Kalifornia where >a >hangar is being built to house it. The plane will be opened to the public. > Then what is that thing parked at BFI in Seattle at the (Boeing) Museum of > Flight???? > -Erik

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there several 757 VIP transports.  Just remember that AF-1 is whatever the prez happens to be on at that moment  (even a single engine Cessna could be "AF-1" as long as ‘Dub was on board – or Navy-1 if Navy aircraft, Marine-1 is the transport chopper, Army-1 or Coast Guard-1 would also be possibilities )

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Seriously, I beleive that the new "spare" Air Force 1 is a 757. > No need.  2 Air Force One 747-200s and 4 E-4Bs > http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/military/af1/

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not to mention that if the US gummint ordered ‘busses they would have HELL to pay at home. the 757 isn’t so much a matter of range as it is a matter of runway

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> I heard that the US government has ordered a couple of Airbus 330s for >> use by the vice president and the first lady. They have options to >> convert these into A380s. >Is that the type where if you rub it in the right place, it grows into a A380 ? >Seriously, I beleive that the new "spare" Air Force 1 is a 757. > I think they have two of the "airforceoneized" 747s, actually, plus NEACAP. > I think they fly the 757 where the range is not needed or the size is > prohibited.  GW was here in Pittsburgh last weekend, on a political stopover > on his way to the little league World Series.  Last time GW was in town, it > was the 747.  While I did not have the occasion to see what he came into > town on this weekend, I caught the news, and I could have sworn it was a 757 > in AF1 colors. > Which would make sense, because while PIT has no problem with a 747, I don’t > know of an airfield close to Williamsport, PA that has anything even > approaching the length for a ‘47. >The 707 is being sent to the Reagan presidential library in Kalifornia where a >hangar is being built to house it. The plane will be opened to the

public.

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>>All this time I thought the 757 was for the > Vice President. I’ve seen Clinton using > the DC-9 before, too. >Perhaps you’re remembering that Gore campaigned in 2000 using a 757 >provided by the DNC? >——-

No, it was before that,  There was an article in the Washington Post a while back saying that the 757 was for the VP.  Now, I’m wondering what or who it’s really for? ——- Scott

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>>>> I heard that the US government has ordered a couple of Airbus 330s >>> for use by the vice president and the first lady. They have options >>> to convert these into A380s. >> Is that the type where if you rub it in the right place, it grows >> into a > A380 ? >> Seriously, I beleive that the new "spare" Air Force 1 is a 757. > I think they have two of the "airforceoneized" 747s, actually, plus > NEACAP.

There are 2 (tail numbers 82-8000 and 92-9000) and they are rarely seen together.   http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=31291 Also I think there are actually at least 2 NEACAP aircraft based around the country (one is in Nebraska). And dont forget the 2 747s that NASA plops the space shuttle on top to transport it across the country. I believe only the US, Saudi Arabia, Kazakhstan, Brunei, Japan, Bahrain, Qatar, Oman, the UAE, and at one time Iran have 747s pretty much devoted as air-force-one-like VIP aircraft.  Most others seem to charter when they need large aircraft.

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>The 707 is being sent to the Reagan presidential library in Kalifornia where >a >hangar is being built to house it. The plane will be opened to the public.

Then what is that thing parked at BFI in Seattle at the (Boeing) Museum of Flight???? -Erik

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>  I’ve seen Clinton >using the DC-9 before, too.

Clinton used a DC-9 to go to Martha’s Vineyard (MVY) which can handle one. -Erik P.S. The Air Force One at BFI was the one which took Nixon to the PRC.  As we all know, "Only Nixon could go to China".

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>All this time I thought the 757 was for the > Vice President. I’ve seen Clinton using > the DC-9 before, too.

Perhaps you’re remembering that Gore campaigned in 2000 using a 757 provided by the DNC? ——-

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->> I heard that the US government has ordered a couple of Airbus 330s for >> use by the vice president and the first lady. They have options to >> convert these into A380s. >Is that the type where if you rub it in the right place, it grows into a >A380 ? >Seriously, I beleive that the new "spare" Air Force 1 is a 757. >I think they have two of the "airforceoneized" 747s, actually, plus NEACAP. >I think they fly the 757 where the range is not needed or the size is >prohibited.  GW was here in Pittsburgh last weekend, on a political stopover >on his way to the little league World Series.  Last time GW was in town, it >was the 747.  While I did not have the occasion to see what he came into >town on this weekend, I caught the news, and I could have sworn it was a 757 >in AF1 colors. >Which would make sense, because while PIT has no problem with a 747, I don’t >know of an airfield close to Williamsport, PA that has anything even >approaching the length for a ‘47.

All this time I thought the 757 was for the Vice President.  I’ve seen Clinton using the DC-9 before, too. ——- Scott

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> The plane that got stuck in the mud was not a 747 – it was the same > 707 that was retired yesterday.

I thought it was a DC-9 that had gotten stuck in the mud ?

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>> The plane that got stuck in the mud was not a 747 – it was the same > 707 that was retired yesterday. >I thought it was a DC-9 that had gotten stuck in the mud ?

Nope. http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/01/28/wheel/index.html

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Would that it were shrub’s retirement rather than the plane’s.

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Remarks By The President For Last Flight Of Air Force One (27000) > WASHINGTON, Aug. 29 — The following is a transcript of remarks by President > George W. Bush for last flight of Air Force One: > Texas State Technical College / Waco, Texas / 1:49 P.M. CDT > THE PRESIDENT: Any Air Force plane carrying the President bears the name Air > Force One.  This plane, tale number 27000, wore the name of Air Force One for > 444 missions, and more than 1 million miles.  Today this plane carried a > President for the last time, and soon it will be taking its last flight. > It will carry no more presidents, but it will carry forever the spirit of > American democracy.  Tail number 27000 entered the service of the United States > in December 1972, and first served President Richard Nixon, and then President > Ford.  It flew former President Carter, and former President — Vice President > Mondale to Germany, to greet 52 Americans who had been held hostage in Iran. > My father flew it frequently, but the President who used it the most was Ronald > Reagan.  It was from this plane that President Reagan disembarked in Berlin in > 1987, and demanded, "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall." > And none of those flights would have been possible without the skill and > commitment of the air crews of old 27000. > For almost three decades, the pilot and crew of tail number 27000 have > preformed flawlessly, for not only presidents, but vice presidents and Cabinet > secretaries and members of Congress.  I’m delighted that former crew members > can be with us today. > Ralph Albertazzie, President Nixon’s pilot, is here; Colonel Bob Ruddick; the > pilot for President Ronald Reagan; Danny Barr, who flew my dad; Chief Master > Sergant Joe Chappell, he was the chief flight engineer who rode the plane on > its original voyage from the Boeing factory to Andrews Air Force Base; Chief > Master Sergant Charles Palmer, Chief Master Sergant Denny Stump; Chief Master > Sergant Kim Johnson; Chief Master Sergant Tim Kerwin; Chief Master Sergant John > Haigh; and of course the man who flies me, Colonel Mark Tillman. > Between you, you have served seven Presidents, and you have served your nation > well.  Thanks to you, American history has been a little less turbulent than it > might have been.  Tail number 27000 flew two Presidents back home from > Washington to California, it carried Richard Nixon in 1974 and Ronald Reagan in > 1989. > And today, it will follow its distinguished passengers to its own retirement in > California.  A new hanger will be built for 27000 at the Reagan library in Simi > Valley, California.  Visitors will soon be able to tour this aircraft.  It will > remind us of Ronald Reagan’s achievements for peace and international security > and permanently symbolize the soaring spirit of this great man and our great > country. Soon it will take its final flight westward into history. > Thank you all for being here. > END 1:53 P.M. CDT > =L=

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> Remarks By The President For Last Flight Of Air Force One (27000) > THE PRESIDENT: Any Air Force plane carrying the President bears the name Air > Force One.  This plane, tale number 27000

I see the President is writing his own material. miguel — Hit The Road! Photos and tales from around the world: http://travel.u.nu

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>Actually, there is one already at the Museum of Flight at Boeing Field, >and the other one that carried Kennedy back from Dallas (and Clinton >when oneof the 747 AF Ones got stuck in mud) is at the Wright Patterson >U.S.A.F. Musem in Dayton, Ohio.

The plane that got stuck in the mud was not a 747 – it was the same 707 that was retired yesterday.

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>> I heard that the US government has ordered a couple of Airbus 330s for > use by the vice president and the first lady. They have options to > convert these into A380s. >Is that the type where if you rub it in the right place, it grows into a A380 ? >Seriously, I beleive that the new "spare" Air Force 1 is a 757.

I think they have two of the "airforceoneized" 747s, actually, plus NEACAP. I think they fly the 757 where the range is not needed or the size is prohibited.  GW was here in Pittsburgh last weekend, on a political stopover on his way to the little league World Series.  Last time GW was in town, it was the 747.  While I did not have the occasion to see what he came into town on this weekend, I caught the news, and I could have sworn it was a 757 in AF1 colors. Which would make sense, because while PIT has no problem with a 747, I don’t know of an airfield close to Williamsport, PA that has anything even approaching the length for a ‘47. – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text ->The 707 is being sent to the Reagan presidential library in Kalifornia where a >hangar is being built to house it. The plane will be opened to the public.

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> Seriously, I beleive that the new "spare" Air Force 1 is a 757.

There are 4 EC-4Bs http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/military/e4b/

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> Seriously, I beleive that the new "spare" Air Force 1 is a 757.

No need.  2 Air Force One 747-200s and 4 E-4Bs http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/military/af1/

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> I heard that the US government has ordered a couple of Airbus 330s for

Why would anyone wan to fly on a fault-ridden plane?

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> Seriously, I beleive that the new "spare" Air Force 1 is a 757.

There are/were some 6 EC-4s.  3 A models and 3 B models.  There is a wide choice of a/c. The 757 is for use by the cabinet among others. > The 707 is being sent to the Reagan presidential library in Kalifornia where > a > hangar is being built to house it. The plane will be opened to the public.

Actually, there is one already at the Museum of Flight at Boeing Field, and the other one that carried Kennedy back from Dallas (and Clinton when oneof the 747 AF Ones got stuck in mud) is at the Wright Patterson U.S.A.F. Musem in Dayton, Ohio. http://www.museumofflight.org/collections/craftdisplay.html?ID=28 www.wpafb.af.mil (site is down/closed off so I can;t give the specific page)

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> I heard that the US government has ordered a couple of Airbus 330s for > use by the vice president and the first lady. They have options to > convert these into A380s.

Is that the type where if you rub it in the right place, it grows into a A380 ? Seriously, I beleive that the new "spare" Air Force 1 is a 757. The 707 is being sent to the Reagan presidential library in Kalifornia where a hangar is being built to house it. The plane will be opened to the public.

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I heard that the US government has ordered a couple of Airbus 330s for use by the vice president and the first lady. They have options to convert these into A380s. — Amish Vancouver BC

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Remarks By The President For Last Flight Of Air Force One (27000) WASHINGTON, Aug. 29 — The following is a transcript of remarks by President George W. Bush for last flight of Air Force One: Texas State Technical College / Waco, Texas / 1:49 P.M. CDT THE PRESIDENT: Any Air Force plane carrying the President bears the name Air Force One.  This plane, tale number 27000, wore the name of Air Force One for 444 missions, and more than 1 million miles.  Today this plane carried a President for the last time, and soon it will be taking its last flight. It will carry no more presidents, but it will carry forever the spirit of American democracy.  Tail number 27000 entered the service of the United States in December 1972, and first served President Richard Nixon, and then President Ford.  It flew former President Carter, and former President — Vice President Mondale to Germany, to greet 52 Americans who had been held hostage in Iran. My father flew it frequently, but the President who used it the most was Ronald Reagan.  It was from this plane that President Reagan disembarked in Berlin in 1987, and demanded, "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall." And none of those flights would have been possible without the skill and commitment of the air crews of old 27000. For almost three decades, the pilot and crew of tail number 27000 have preformed flawlessly, for not only presidents, but vice presidents and Cabinet secretaries and members of Congress.  I’m delighted that former crew members can be with us today. Ralph Albertazzie, President Nixon’s pilot, is here; Colonel Bob Ruddick; the pilot for President Ronald Reagan; Danny Barr, who flew my dad; Chief Master Sergant Joe Chappell, he was the chief flight engineer who rode the plane on its original voyage from the Boeing factory to Andrews Air Force Base; Chief Master Sergant Charles Palmer, Chief Master Sergant Denny Stump; Chief Master Sergant Kim Johnson; Chief Master Sergant Tim Kerwin; Chief Master Sergant John Haigh; and of course the man who flies me, Colonel Mark Tillman. Between you, you have served seven Presidents, and you have served your nation well.  Thanks to you, American history has been a little less turbulent than it might have been.  Tail number 27000 flew two Presidents back home from Washington to California, it carried Richard Nixon in 1974 and Ronald Reagan in 1989. And today, it will follow its distinguished passengers to its own retirement in California.  A new hanger will be built for 27000 at the Reagan library in Simi Valley, California.  Visitors will soon be able to tour this aircraft.  It will remind us of Ronald Reagan’s achievements for peace and international security and permanently symbolize the soaring spirit of this great man and our great country. Soon it will take its final flight westward into history. Thank you all for being here. END 1:53 P.M. CDT =L=

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