Visit China

Question:

Does anyone have any information regarding the use of a Kudzu derivative that is used in the lessing of alcohol use? I heard only part of a discussion on public radio a few months back and have not encountered any other references. Thanks in advance for any info.

Response:

: Does anyone have any information regarding the use of a Kudzu derivative : that is used in the lessing of alcohol use? : : I heard only part of a discussion on public radio a few months back and : have not encountered any other references. : : Thanks in advance for any info. Kudzu flower tea has long been used as a nostrum for hangover, and this is probably the source of this idea. Generally speaking, however, curbing alcohol use involves normalizing the Liver system, Clearing Heat and Disinhibiting the flow of its Qi. This reduces frustration, and the edginess that produces the sense of craving. Kudzu root does not act on the Liver system. The effect of its flower is seen as the result of Clearing Heat and Stagnation from the body that has resulted from toxification.

Response:

Hello everyone,  I’d like to tell you about a treatment for a horrible disease.  A treatment that has been documented to be effective,  and yet few people know about it,  and the ones that do scoff at the idea that another country could have an effective and inexpensive treatment.     JPM-31 is an herbal treatment developed by the Chinese over 2000 years ago for the treatment of alcoholism.  Chinese doctors report that it dramatically reduces the craving for alcohol.  The active ingredient in JPM-31 is an herb known to the Chinese as G’e Ge’n (Kudzu).  A recent survey revealed that 80% of Chinese alcoholics who took this remedy for two to four weeks stopped craving alcohol.     JPM-31 is refined to exacting specifications and is 100% pure.  JPM-31 has no adverse side effects.  In fact,  according to Chinese herbalists, G’e Ge’n improves the functions of the vital organs affected by alcohol abuse. The effects of G’e Ge’n have been documented on major news stations,  but no one seems to pay attention.                                 HERE’S WHAT OTHERS HAVE TO SAY: HARVARD MEDICAL SCHOOL—"This is the first time we have found something that has the ability to curb alcoholism dramatically." CHINESE MEDICAL COMMUNITY—"Helped control alcohol abuse within one week." "No side effects." FDA & HARVARD MEDICAL SCHOOL—"Also report no side effects." NEWSWEEK—"American researchers confirm Kudzu extract appears to be extraordinarily effective in the treatment of alcoholism." So why isn’t this miricle herb being used in the United States?  The Food and Drug Administration requires a more convincing proof than a billion Chinese. JPM-31 is very cost effective…..less than the cost of a drink a day. Simple to take.  Dissolve JPM-31 in a glass of water or juice and take twice daily. Alcoholism is never cured in the traditional sense…..but it can be Sincerely,  Joe

Response:

JosephM434, another of our occasional aol.com entrepreneurs, says: : JPM-31 is an herbal treatment developed by the Chinese over 2000 : years ago for the treatment of alcoholism.  Chinese doctors report : that it dramatically reduces the craving for alcohol.  The active : ingredient in JPM-31 is an herb known to the Chinese as G’e Ge’n : (Kudzu).  A recent survey revealed that 80% of Chinese alcoholics : who took this remedy for two to four weeks stopped craving alcohol. That’s crap, bud. What are the ingredients? What is the formula? Gegen hua is not going to do what you say–so why not open your entrepreneurial hand and let’s see what’s in there. Your Chinese transliteration is as silly as these claims. If as you say the Chinese cured alcoholism two thousand years ago, you have a lot of historical explaining to do. As a healer in that tradition, I find your assertions very offensive. I am familiar with the texts written in that time period (actually, the earliest extant texts on herbal healing in East-Asia are 1,700 years old), and there is no mention of such a thing.

Response:

I find you offensive Mr. All Knowing Healer……look it up!…It has been documented.  Call the Harvard Medical School’s Biophysics lab, ask them for their report,  you can also ask them for their internal publication call Focus, Nov. 5, 1993 Edition which also has a detailed report.  Call the major t.v. news-stations and ask them if they ran a report on the Harvard study in November 1993.  Probably the easiest thing for such an all-knowing person like yourself is to look up the Newsweek article…November 8, 1993,  pg 68.  Do you think you can handle that?  If you call yourself a healer I think you should get better access to information.  The Chinese pharmacopoeia Beiji – Qian – Yaofang noted Kudzu’s anti-imbibing effects around 600 AD.  I suggest that if you claim to " be a healer in that tradition " that you should be better read on the subject.  I also suggest that anyone going to you for healing would be well advised to go elsewhere " BUD" !

Response:

Paul Innane’s newsgroup?  I don’t think so,  don’t make me laugh!

Response:

I thought Haiku required three lines, containing 5,7, and 5 syllables respectively, Joseph.  This is a good one anyway  ;’) JB.

Response:

: Some of "Paul The All – Knowing Healer’s" fans.  Hope you don’t mind : me putting your post here,  DragonSlayer,  but I couldn’t resist.   :         : Re: Attack on me, #3000, was Re: ? Herbal Treatment fo : [snip, mucho crapola] Am I supposed to respond to this, Joseph? I am at a bit of a loss about the purpose of this reposting of Root’s nonsense. Are you applying for a place in my killfile too?

Response:

>Post the facts, or get off my beat.

That’s right. This is Paul’s newsgroup, so scram! — Robert Greenstein                 When you’re right 95% of the time,

Response:

Don’t make me laugh!  Paul’s group.

Response:

: I find you offensive Mr. All Knowing Healer……look it up!…It : has been documented.  Call the Harvard Medical School’s Biophysics : lab, ask them for their report, you can also ask them for their : internal publication call Focus, Nov. 5, 1993 Edition which also has : a detailed report.   Post it here. Post any references here. Post the argument here. Post a single detail. : Call the major t.v. news-stations and ask them : if they ran a report on the Harvard study in November 1993. TV. Now there’s a good source for information. : Probably the easiest thing for such an all-knowing person like : yourself is to look up the Newsweek article…November 8, 1993,  pg : 68.   Newsweek. Hmm. Well, I’ll look at that, if that is your proof. : Do you think you can handle that?  If you call yourself a : healer I think you should get better access to information.   I have dramatically better access than you. I just don’t have your desire to make a buck on some exaggeration. : The : Chinese pharmacopoeia Beiji – Qian – Yaofang noted Kudzu’s : anti-imbibing effects around 600 AD. Which means absolutely nothing. The books of that era are full of wild claims. : I suggest that if you claim to : " be a healer in that tradition " that you should be better read on : the subject.  I also suggest that anyone going to you for healing : would be well advised to go elsewhere " BUD" ! You entrepreneurs really don’t have a moral bone in your bodies. The Chinese have had an alcoholism problem for thousands of years, just like the West. Everyone in China and Japan knows about the folk cure of Kudzu flowers for hangovers. To say that a complex health imbalance like alcoholism is treatable with a single, magical herbal is tantamount to telling cancer patients that if they weren’t so stupid to trust orthodox medicine, they would be well tomorrrow! Post the facts, or get off my beat.

Response:

: Probably the easiest thing an all-knowing person like yourself can do is : to look up Newsweeks article in the November 8, 1993 issue, pg 68.  Think : you can handle it? Wow. It was in Newsweek back in 1993, and it isn’t in use in every clinic in the country? That must be good science. Kudzu, Gegen, _Pueraria lobata_ is a great herbal. It has a positive effect in many illness. It reduces hypertension, is a coronary vasodilator, and has a variety of useful properties for illnesses defined by East-Asian Traditional Healing as well (of course). But your claim is absurd, and dramatically overstated. Such is the problem with folk medicine: reliance on single herbals with imputed magical effects. The facts of healing are quite a bit more complicated than this. You might as well say that Bach Flower Remedies cure alcoholism. Or colonics. Or hypnosis. It is a health imbalance, and a very powerful one–a disease. You shouldn’t make light of it in this way.

Response:

Some of "Paul The All – Knowing Healer’s" fans.  Hope you don’t mind me putting your post here,  DragonSlayer,  but I couldn’t resist.             Re: Attack on me, #3000, was Re: ? Herbal Treatment fo writes: |> I posted in response to a long thread, here taken out of context by replier: |> : : In such severe cases of health collapse, they are probably indeed |> : unable to : make much use of lifestyle therapy. Theirs is a slow |> : convalescence. |> |> Replier, Roger Burns, said: |> : So you are now making the claim that you personally know that *all* |> : CFS  patients will convalesce?  I have some familiarity with this |> : illness, and  your statements of "fact" don’t seem familiar to me. |> |> This was a form of optimism. I was trying to offer hope. |>   |> : I wonder — could it possibly be that you are inspired to make |> : exorbitant, unfounded claims because you want to attract as many patients |> : as possible to pay you for the treatments that you offer? That *is* |> : the business that you’re in, isn’t it? |> |> This is a form of cynicism. You are attacking my character. Your professional ethics *deserves* to be questioned. That’s what’s happening. This is not ad homenim. |> |> What else is new? I have posted informative, detailed posts to this |> conference for nine months, but there is a group of cynics who never note the |> effort I have made to be informative and interesting. Dr. Robert Keys, for |> all his posturing, does a similar service in offering a clear view at his |> treatment theory, and I respect him for it. Contrary to your ideas, I am a |> lower income student of a great tradition. I have been educating myself in it |> for nearly twenty years, am making a strong effort to learn both classical |> and modern Chinese, already read much of the medical literature in that |> language, do not practice any form of entrepreneurialism, do not overcharge |> for herbals, do the minimum treatment in all cases, and emphasize lifestyle |> change as the key to long-term health improvement. |> |> So, you can take your cynicism, and, well, ‘reexamine’ it. Paul, you’ve posted so much claptrap that you deserve to be confronted. You post medical advise *without* providing the paper cites. You provide *no* information about toxicity about the materials you talk about. You badmouth Camilla when she refers people to Tyler’s _The Honest Herbal_. You show absolutely no respect for science, the scientific method. Now, Paul, can YOU produce any PROOF that your modality is safe and effective? Come on, Paul, pony up the data… Or how would you like being called a QUACK! That’s how you’ve been acting, all this time. Since you’re making the claim that your treatment are safe and effective, it’s your responsibility to produce the evidence. Now, is there *any* sort of *proof* that your Daoist philosphy makes *any* sort of *scientific* sence??? OK, Paul, produce the evidence. Perhaps, you’re more a true believing crank. Perhaps you don’t want skeptics tearing off your mask of respectability. Well, if *you* don’t like that, that’s tough! Where is the proof Paul??? DragonSlayer

Response:

Paul " The All – Knowing Healer " writes:                                 That’s crap, bud. What are the ingredients? What is the formula? Gegen hua is not going to do what you say–so why not open your entrepreneurial hand and let’s see what’s in there. Your Chinese transliteration is as silly as these claims. If as you say the Chinese cured alcoholism two thousand years ago, you have a lot of historical explaining to do. As a healer in that tradition, I find your assertions very offensive. I am familiar with the texts written in that time period (actually, the earliest extant texts on herbal healing in East-Asia are 1,700 years old), and there is no mention of such a thing. I find you very offensive…..it’s been documented.  Call Harvard Medical School’s Biophysics lab and ask them for their report,  you can also ask them for their internal publication called Focus which also has a detailed report in the November 5, 1993 Edition.  Call the major t.v. news-stations and ask them if they ran a report on Harvard’s study in November 1993. Probably the easiest thing an all-knowing person like yourself can do is to look up Newsweeks article in the November 8, 1993 issue, pg 68.  Think you can handle it?  As someone who claims to be " A Healer in that Tradition " you are not very well read.  The Chinese pharmacopoeia " Beiji – Qianjin – Yaofang " first noted Kudzu’s anti – imbibing effects around 600 AD.  I suggest that you get better access to information.  I also suggest that anyone who goes to you to be healed would be well advised to go to someone who is more informed " BUD ".

Response: