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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Plutonium, your scrivenings here are not on topic for these newsgroups.  That > is not to say that you don’t have relatively free access to post to these > newsgroups, it is just that there are the other newsgroups where the > participants of the actual newsgroups would care.  Basically, there are stock > predictions better than yours, in fact, so much better as to make your > postings > about those relatively non-relevant personal interests to be not posting them > to groups whose contexts include contemporary engineering research, and > anybody > who is actually interested in the newsgroup subject content.. > Plutonium, also, like I said before, your theories are not one hundred > percent > correct. > So, go back to relevant newsgroups. > Ross > RF complaining about AP? Funny!

No, the funny bit is RF protesting that AP’s theories "are not one hundred percent correct"… — The Scarlet Manuka

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Hi, Well, for example, there are more variables.  You’re talking about a largescale socioeconomic phenomenon. Basically, as long as the growth of production, real growth, surpasses population growth, then that is an easy way out of the Malthusian dilemna, which is about the quality of life.  Basically, the quality of life gets better, unless a large asteroid stomps the planet. Real growth is predicted by, among other things, investment in research and development. Perhaps more worthwhile would be determining which lawsuits are probable, or betting on the Rams. So, we need to encourage development in lift and development technolgies to build more settlements in outer space and deep under the ocean. Ross – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Plutonium, also, like I said before, your theories are not > one hundred percent correct. > Ross, leaving open the possibility of a non-zero value for the > percentage makes you sound horribly sarcastic you know; and to > compare the correctness ratio of AP’s theories, even negatively, > with "one hundred percent" seems positively cruel! That doesn’t > sound like you at all, or so I thought until now. (Remember – > sarcasm is the basest form of wit!) > Cheers > The new is in the old concealed, the old is in the new revealed. >    St Augustine.

– Ross A. Finlayson Finlayson Consulting

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> > Tell me: does China as a country have more oil and uranium resources than > the USA? > I know Russia by itself has more oil and uranium than does the USA. > China has ocean front. Thus, the have sufficient uranium for millions of > years. > Karl Johanson

Can you be more specific with details as to how much oil and uranium reserves that China holds. I would guess that the Himalyan Mountains belong to China and that those mountains hold vast uranium reserves. Any geologist around?

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I certainly agree that we need a united China, so lets help Taiwan complete a 5th column operation against China so that new democratic leadership can take charge? The leades of China are just a bunch of murders anyway, and they support slave labor, so they really have no more right to exist than Hitler did, right? Lets help Taiwan free China! Tom Tucker

– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> The USA made one huge horrendous mistake by not following major worldwide > trends. Trends that were for the better. The trend I speak of is the ending of > "Colonialism" and the mistake was Vietnam. > Now with this China spy plane incident the world is in another two trends. One > trend is the disappearing of the Cold War. And the other trend is the > reuniting of former divided nations. One could say the Cold War ended with the > dissolution of the USSR into many separate countries. And with the Cold War > ending, former divided nations such as the Koreas are wanting to get together > again. > So, in this recent spy plane incident the USA is immensely behind the times > and is backward in policy and is perhaps falling into another Vietnam type > mistake. > The world trend is for divided nations to reunite as per Koreas and now Taiwan > to China. > The USA policy towards Taiwan should be one of trying to facilitate a > reunification of Taiwan to mainland China not of keeping the two apart. > Yet that spy plane incident shows the world that the policy of the USA is > against and opposed towards a reunification of Taiwan to China. The USA made a > big mistake with Vietnam, and now it appears the USA will make another big > mistake in its relationship of China to Taiwan. Instead of creating more > friendship and trust and trade with mainland China, the Taiwan issue will only > lead the USA into a saber rattling war with China. Taiwan will be China’s > hatred-builder. > I have heard buzzwords for diplomacy policies such as "human rights > diplomacy". I think Madelaine Albright in the Clinton administration fostered > that type of diplomacy where she made decisions based on human rights. > I wonder if someone will use a policy of *Friendship Diplomacy* as their > administration guide policy of decision making. Who can deny that you increase > the friendship of the Koreas and the rest of the world by reuniting the two > Koreas and thus our policy towards Korea would by a reunification centerpiece. > Who can deny that you increase the friendship and liking of the USA if the USA > worked towards a reunification of Taiwan to China. > Thus, why is the USA kicking sand into the face of China and doing most things > to keep Taiwan separate from China. Could George Bush adopt a world > *Friendship Diplomacy*? > Could George Bush see that making friends with China and Taiwan means getting > the two closer and closer to reuniting rather than supplying Taiwan with aegis > warships and other arms to keep the two apart. > The world is moving away from Cold War incidents and moving towards > reunification of Cold War Foes, yet the USA seems not smart enough to see this > world trends and the USA is still behaving towards China as if it was back in > 1950.

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Sorry if this is a repeat. A bit of trouble posting. > Tell me: does China as a country have more oil and uranium resources than > the USA? > I know Russia by itself has more oil and uranium than does the USA.

China has ocean front. Thus, the have sufficient uranium for millions of years. Karl Johanson

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> Plutonium, also, like I said before, your theories are not > one hundred percent correct.

Ross, leaving open the possibility of a non-zero value for the percentage makes you sound horribly sarcastic you know; and to compare the correctness ratio of AP’s theories, even negatively, with "one hundred percent" seems positively cruel! That doesn’t sound like you at all, or so I thought until now. (Remember – sarcasm is the basest form of wit!) Cheers The new is in the old concealed, the old is in the new revealed.    St Augustine.

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Plutonium, your scrivenings here are not on topic for these newsgroups.  That > is not to say that you don’t have relatively free access to post to these > newsgroups, it is just that there are the other newsgroups where the > participants of the actual newsgroups would care.  Basically, there are stock > predictions better than yours, in fact, so much better as to make your > postings > about those relatively non-relevant personal interests to be not posting them > to groups whose contexts include contemporary engineering research, and > anybody > who is actually interested in the newsgroup subject content.. > Plutonium, also, like I said before, your theories are not one hundred > percent > correct. > So, go back to relevant newsgroups. > Ross

RF complaining about AP? Funny!

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- Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Plutonium, your scrivenings here are not on topic for these newsgroups.  That > is not to say that you don’t have relatively free access to post to these > newsgroups, it is just that there are the other newsgroups where the > participants of the actual newsgroups would care.  Basically, there are stock > predictions better than yours, in fact, so much better as to make your > postings > about those relatively non-relevant personal interests to be not posting them > to groups whose contexts include contemporary engineering research, and > anybody > who is actually interested in the newsgroup subject content.. > Plutonium, also, like I said before, your theories are not one hundred > percent > correct. > So, go back to relevant newsgroups. > Ross > RF complaining about AP? Funny!

I wasn’t complaining. Shut up, Virgil. Ross — Ross A. Finlayson Finlayson Consulting

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– Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Tell me something– how would the USA have felt if back in 1860 England > interfered with the North by taking sides with the South? Do people of > the USA really believe that Taiwan is different from China. How would > the USA feel if China traded only with the state of Texas and considered > the rest of the USA states as rogue states. The point I am driving home > is that Wars are caused mostly because of human overpopulation and that > all of these other things such as — spy plane captives, selling aegis > to Taiwan, archduke Ferdinand shot, etc, etc are merely minor steps on > the way to Correcting the Huge Human Overpopulation problem. > I think it is time now, especially with this spy plane incident of China in > April of 2001 and reconsider the entire political strategy of Taiwan versus > China. Taiwan was born in a time of the Cold War and fear of Communism. > That Cold War has changed, and even vanished in large degree. So is Taiwan > a relic of the Cold War and should not the USA change its tune and attitude > towards Taiwan. > Although Taiwan is a friend of the USA and Taiwan boasts a Democratic > government, is not the USA deluding itself and the rest of the world > deluding itself by thinking that Taiwan is not China and that Taiwan will > always be Chinese. And that the future of Taiwan is to reunite with China. > Thus, with this spy plane incident, it appears that the USA is still back > in cave-man era thinking as to the future of Taiwan. The Cold War has ended > in most places and the future is bright in those spots except for Taiwan. > Is the USA making Taiwan the black-hole-sink that will drag the USA into > conflicts? It appears so. > It appears to me that Taiwan diplomacy and USA policy towards is out of > synch with the general trends around the world as regards to the ending of > the Cold War. > Rather than the USA increasing and embellishing the military strength of > Taiwan, should not the USA be veering in the opposite direction of trying > to get mainland China to accept some sort of union with Taiwan much in the > same respect that England handed over Hong Kong to mainland China. > I think it awful and silly to have to go to war with China sometime in the > future because of the USA’s reluctance to see that Taiwan (even though it > is Democratic) begins to form a plan to reunite with mainland China. Is it > worth a major war for the USA because a island split off from China is > democratic in government (ephemereal idealism) yet truly are Chinese with a > differing opinion with mainland China. Is it worth the USA in losing say > 100 million lives in some war that was escalated over the fact that Taiwan > is stopped from reuniting with mainland China. How many Americans would > feel justified in fighting and losing their lives because the USA > steadfastly stood by a separate Taiwan rather than encourage Taiwan to > reunite or set a timetable to reunite with China. > This recent spy plane incident tells me that the USA policy towards Taiwan > and China is more out of tune with the times rather than the USA desire to > arm Taiwan and keep it separate from China. > Should not the USA be making diplomacy as to how to get Taiwan to reunite > with China rather than this bristling saber rattling over every incident. > In that regard, the USA really should be making apologies not only to China > but the entire rest of the world for being backwards and dreaming that the > Cold War is still here and is hot over Taiwan. > Is it just me, or do others have the feeling that the Republicans are war > hungry or are just bristling for world hotspot incidents and that instead > of de-escalating potential hotspots that the Republicans encourage them and > seem to gain pleasure when they arise. Clinton and Democrats tried to open > China for trade, and here 3 months into a Republican administration we may > have closed the door on mainland China and now worried about escalations of > war saber rattling. > Is the Bush policy to Taiwan one of keeping Taiwan forever separate from > mainland China. Is the Bush policy to the Koreas one of keeping those two > separate? From this spy plane incident it appears that the Bush policy is > one of "keeping the status quo". Not of trying to make things better for > the Koreans by reuniting, nor of trying to reunite Taiwan to China. > Instead of Bush going over to China to verbally attack the Chinese and to > sell Taiwan aegis ships. Would it not be better for Bush to go to China and > say– I am sorry and I apologize because I did not fully realize the World > wants to end the Cold War on Communism. And I am here to offer a timetable > plan to start to reunite Taiwan to China much in the same manner that > England gave up Hong Kong to China. > A USA apology to China was not really for the spy plane being over > international waters and that the Chinese pilot was a hot dog pilot. But > rather the apology was because the USA is 10 or 20 years behind the growing > trend that the Cold War was over with and that China has made huge strides > in becoming a nation trying to meet the demands of the West and yet with > all of that "trying to satisfy the West", the West in the USA is still > treating China as a horrible and ugly nation. > Just as the Chinese pilot was a hot-dog-pilot. The same can be said of the > Republican administration of foreign policy towards China in that we have > treated China with a Hot-Dog-Diplomacy. We do not trust them and we plan to > arm Taiwan to the hilt. > I think President Bush ought to overhaul the entire diplomacy and policy of > the USA as regards to China and Taiwan and make as CENTERPIECE of that > diplomacy, a plan for a future reunification of Taiwan to China. Forget > about that idealistic fact that Taiwan is a democratic government whereas > China is not. That piece of idealism is not worth future scraps and crisis > and perhaps leading into a war. > Tell me: does China as a country have more oil and uranium resources than > the USA? > I know Russia by itself has more oil and uranium than does the USA.

Response:

The USA made one huge horrendous mistake by not following major worldwide trends. Trends that were for the better. The trend I speak of is the ending of "Colonialism" and the mistake was Vietnam. Now with this China spy plane incident the world is in another two trends. One trend is the disappearing of the Cold War. And the other trend is the reuniting of former divided nations. One could say the Cold War ended with the dissolution of the USSR into many separate countries. And with the Cold War ending, former divided nations such as the Koreas are wanting to get together again. So, in this recent spy plane incident the USA is immensely behind the times and is backward in policy and is perhaps falling into another Vietnam type mistake. The world trend is for divided nations to reunite as per Koreas and now Taiwan to China. The USA policy towards Taiwan should be one of trying to facilitate a reunification of Taiwan to mainland China not of keeping the two apart. Yet that spy plane incident shows the world that the policy of the USA is against and opposed towards a reunification of Taiwan to China. The USA made a big mistake with Vietnam, and now it appears the USA will make another big mistake in its relationship of China to Taiwan. Instead of creating more friendship and trust and trade with mainland China, the Taiwan issue will only lead the USA into a saber rattling war with China. Taiwan will be China’s hatred-builder. I have heard buzzwords for diplomacy policies such as "human rights diplomacy". I think Madelaine Albright in the Clinton administration fostered that type of diplomacy where she made decisions based on human rights. I wonder if someone will use a policy of *Friendship Diplomacy* as their administration guide policy of decision making. Who can deny that you increase the friendship of the Koreas and the rest of the world by reuniting the two Koreas and thus our policy towards Korea would by a reunification centerpiece. Who can deny that you increase the friendship and liking of the USA if the USA worked towards a reunification of Taiwan to China. Thus, why is the USA kicking sand into the face of China and doing most things to keep Taiwan separate from China. Could George Bush adopt a world *Friendship Diplomacy*? Could George Bush see that making friends with China and Taiwan means getting the two closer and closer to reuniting rather than supplying Taiwan with aegis warships and other arms to keep the two apart. The world is moving away from Cold War incidents and moving towards reunification of Cold War Foes, yet the USA seems not smart enough to see this world trends and the USA is still behaving towards China as if it was back in 1950.

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Plutonium, your scrivenings here are not on topic for these newsgroups.  That is not to say that you don’t have relatively free access to post to these newsgroups, it is just that there are the other newsgroups where the participants of the actual newsgroups would care.  Basically, there are stock predictions better than yours, in fact, so much better as to make your postings about those relatively non-relevant personal interests to be not posting them to groups whose contexts include contemporary engineering research, and anybody who is actually interested in the newsgroup subject content.. Plutonium, also, like I said before, your theories are not one hundred percent correct. So, go back to relevant newsgroups. Ross – Hide quoted text — Show quoted text -> Tell me something– how would the USA have felt if back in 1860 England > interfered with the North by taking sides with the South? Do people of > the USA really believe that Taiwan is different from China. How would > the USA feel if China traded only with the state of Texas and considered > the rest of the USA states as rogue states. The point I am driving home > is that Wars are caused mostly because of human overpopulation and that > all of these other things such as — spy plane captives, selling aegis > to Taiwan, archduke Ferdinand shot, etc, etc are merely minor steps on > the way to Correcting the Huge Human Overpopulation problem. > I think it is time now, especially with this spy plane incident of China in > April of 2001 and reconsider the entire political strategy of Taiwan versus > China. Taiwan was born in a time of the Cold War and fear of Communism. > That Cold War has changed, and even vanished in large degree. So is Taiwan > a relic of the Cold War and should not the USA change its tune and attitude > towards Taiwan. > Although Taiwan is a friend of the USA and Taiwan boasts a Democratic > government, is not the USA deluding itself and the rest of the world > deluding itself by thinking that Taiwan is not China and that Taiwan will > always be Chinese. And that the future of Taiwan is to reunite with China. > Thus, with this spy plane incident, it appears that the USA is still back > in cave-man era thinking as to the future of Taiwan. The Cold War has ended > in most places and the future is bright in those spots except for Taiwan. > Is the USA making Taiwan the black-hole-sink that will drag the USA into > conflicts? It appears so. > It appears to me that Taiwan diplomacy and USA policy towards is out of > synch with the general trends around the world as regards to the ending of > the Cold War. > Rather than the USA increasing and embellishing the military strength of > Taiwan, should not the USA be veering in the opposite direction of trying > to get mainland China to accept some sort of union with Taiwan much in the > same respect that England handed over Hong Kong to mainland China. > I think it awful and silly to have to go to war with China sometime in the > future because of the USA’s reluctance to see that Taiwan (even though it > is Democratic) begins to form a plan to reunite with mainland China. Is it > worth a major war for the USA because a island split off from China is > democratic in government (ephemereal idealism) yet truly are Chinese with a > differing opinion with mainland China. Is it worth the USA in losing say > 100 million lives in some war that was escalated over the fact that Taiwan > is stopped from reuniting with mainland China. How many Americans would > feel justified in fighting and losing their lives because the USA > steadfastly stood by a separate Taiwan rather than encourage Taiwan to > reunite or set a timetable to reunite with China. > This recent spy plane incident tells me that the USA policy towards Taiwan > and China is more out of tune with the times rather than the USA desire to > arm Taiwan and keep it separate from China. > Should not the USA be making diplomacy as to how to get Taiwan to reunite > with China rather than this bristling saber rattling over every incident. > In that regard, the USA really should be making apologies not only to China > but the entire rest of the world for being backwards and dreaming that the > Cold War is still here and is hot over Taiwan. > Is it just me, or do others have the feeling that the Republicans are war > hungry or are just bristling for world hotspot incidents and that instead > of de-escalating potential hotspots that the Republicans encourage them and > seem to gain pleasure when they arise. Clinton and Democrats tried to open > China for trade, and here 3 months into a Republican administration we may > have closed the door on mainland China and now worried about escalations of > war saber rattling. > Is the Bush policy to Taiwan one of keeping Taiwan forever separate from > mainland China. Is the Bush policy to the Koreas one of keeping those two > separate? From this spy plane incident it appears that the Bush policy is > one of "keeping the status quo". Not of trying to make things better for > the Koreans by reuniting, nor of trying to reunite Taiwan to China. > Instead of Bush going over to China to verbally attack the Chinese and to > sell Taiwan aegis ships. Would it not be better for Bush to go to China and > say– I am sorry and I apologize because I did not fully realize the World > wants to end the Cold War on Communism. And I am here to offer a timetable > plan to start to reunite Taiwan to China much in the same manner that > England gave up Hong Kong to China. > A USA apology to China was not really for the spy plane being over > international waters and that the Chinese pilot was a hot dog pilot. But > rather the apology was because the USA is 10 or 20 years behind the growing > trend that the Cold War was over with and that China has made huge strides > in becoming a nation trying to meet the demands of the West and yet with > all of that "trying to satisfy the West", the West in the USA is still > treating China as a horrible and ugly nation. > Just as the Chinese pilot was a hot-dog-pilot. The same can be said of the > Republican administration of foreign policy towards China in that we have > treated China with a Hot-Dog-Diplomacy. We do not trust them and we plan to > arm Taiwan to the hilt. > I think President Bush ought to overhaul the entire diplomacy and policy of > the USA as regards to China and Taiwan and make as CENTERPIECE of that > diplomacy, a plan for a future reunification of Taiwan to China. Forget > about that idealistic fact that Taiwan is a democratic government whereas > China is not. That piece of idealism is not worth future scraps and crisis > and perhaps leading into a war. > Tell me: does China as a country have more oil and uranium resources than > the USA? > I know Russia by itself has more oil and uranium than does the USA.

– Ross A. Finlayson Finlayson Consulting

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> Tell me something– how would the USA have felt if back in 1860 England > interfered with the North by taking sides with the South? Do people of > the USA really believe that Taiwan is different from China. How would > the USA feel if China traded only with the state of Texas and considered > the rest of the USA states as rogue states. The point I am driving home > is that Wars are caused mostly because of human overpopulation and that > all of these other things such as — spy plane captives, selling aegis > to Taiwan, archduke Ferdinand shot, etc, etc are merely minor steps on > the way to Correcting the Huge Human Overpopulation problem.

I think it is time now, especially with this spy plane incident of China in April of 2001 and reconsider the entire political strategy of Taiwan versus China. Taiwan was born in a time of the Cold War and fear of Communism. That Cold War has changed, and even vanished in large degree. So is Taiwan a relic of the Cold War and should not the USA change its tune and attitude towards Taiwan. Although Taiwan is a friend of the USA and Taiwan boasts a Democratic government, is not the USA deluding itself and the rest of the world deluding itself by thinking that Taiwan is not China and that Taiwan will always be Chinese. And that the future of Taiwan is to reunite with China. Thus, with this spy plane incident, it appears that the USA is still back in cave-man era thinking as to the future of Taiwan. The Cold War has ended in most places and the future is bright in those spots except for Taiwan. Is the USA making Taiwan the black-hole-sink that will drag the USA into conflicts? It appears so. It appears to me that Taiwan diplomacy and USA policy towards is out of synch with the general trends around the world as regards to the ending of the Cold War. Rather than the USA increasing and embellishing the military strength of Taiwan, should not the USA be veering in the opposite direction of trying to get mainland China to accept some sort of union with Taiwan much in the same respect that England handed over Hong Kong to mainland China. I think it awful and silly to have to go to war with China sometime in the future because of the USA’s reluctance to see that Taiwan (even though it is Democratic) begins to form a plan to reunite with mainland China. Is it worth a major war for the USA because a island split off from China is democratic in government (ephemereal idealism) yet truly are Chinese with a differing opinion with mainland China. Is it worth the USA in losing say 100 million lives in some war that was escalated over the fact that Taiwan is stopped from reuniting with mainland China. How many Americans would feel justified in fighting and losing their lives because the USA steadfastly stood by a separate Taiwan rather than encourage Taiwan to reunite or set a timetable to reunite with China. This recent spy plane incident tells me that the USA policy towards Taiwan and China is more out of tune with the times rather than the USA desire to arm Taiwan and keep it separate from China. Should not the USA be making diplomacy as to how to get Taiwan to reunite with China rather than this bristling saber rattling over every incident. In that regard, the USA really should be making apologies not only to China but the entire rest of the world for being backwards and dreaming that the Cold War is still here and is hot over Taiwan. Is it just me, or do others have the feeling that the Republicans are war hungry or are just bristling for world hotspot incidents and that instead of de-escalating potential hotspots that the Republicans encourage them and seem to gain pleasure when they arise. Clinton and Democrats tried to open China for trade, and here 3 months into a Republican administration we may have closed the door on mainland China and now worried about escalations of war saber rattling. Is the Bush policy to Taiwan one of keeping Taiwan forever separate from mainland China. Is the Bush policy to the Koreas one of keeping those two separate? From this spy plane incident it appears that the Bush policy is one of "keeping the status quo". Not of trying to make things better for the Koreans by reuniting, nor of trying to reunite Taiwan to China. Instead of Bush going over to China to verbally attack the Chinese and to sell Taiwan aegis ships. Would it not be better for Bush to go to China and say– I am sorry and I apologize because I did not fully realize the World wants to end the Cold War on Communism. And I am here to offer a timetable plan to start to reunite Taiwan to China much in the same manner that England gave up Hong Kong to China. A USA apology to China was not really for the spy plane being over international waters and that the Chinese pilot was a hot dog pilot. But rather the apology was because the USA is 10 or 20 years behind the growing trend that the Cold War was over with and that China has made huge strides in becoming a nation trying to meet the demands of the West and yet with all of that "trying to satisfy the West", the West in the USA is still treating China as a horrible and ugly nation. Just as the Chinese pilot was a hot-dog-pilot. The same can be said of the Republican administration of foreign policy towards China in that we have treated China with a Hot-Dog-Diplomacy. We do not trust them and we plan to arm Taiwan to the hilt. I think President Bush ought to overhaul the entire diplomacy and policy of the USA as regards to China and Taiwan and make as CENTERPIECE of that diplomacy, a plan for a future reunification of Taiwan to China. Forget about that idealistic fact that Taiwan is a democratic government whereas China is not. That piece of idealism is not worth future scraps and crisis and perhaps leading into a war. Tell me: does China as a country have more oil and uranium resources than the USA? I know Russia by itself has more oil and uranium than does the USA.

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